282. The Crime of Human Conscience in
Uniform
'Sometimes You Have to Pay a Heavy
Price to Live in a Free Society'
‘บางที คุณจำต้องจ่ายชีวิตด้วยราคาแพงในสังคมเสรี’
-แบรดลีย์
แมนนิ่ง
ดรุณี
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The following is a rush transcript
by Common Dreams of the statement made by Pfc. Bradley Manning as read by David
Coombs at a press conference on Wednesday following the announcement of his
35-year prison sentence by a military court:
ต่อไปนี้ เป็นการถอดคำพูดอย่างเร่งรีบโดย
คอมมอนดรีมส์ จากแถลงการณ์ของ พลทหาร แบรดลีย์ แมนนนิ่ง ดังที่ เดวิด คูมบ์ส
อ่านที่การประชุมแถลงข่าวเมื่อวันพุธ หลังจากการประกาศคำพิพากษาจำคุกเขา ๓๕ ปี
โดยศาลทหาร:
The decisions that I made in 2010
were made out of a concern for my country and the world that we live in. Since
the tragic events of 9/11, our country has been at war. We've been at war
with an enemy that chooses not to meet us on any traditional battlefield, and
due to this fact we've had to alter our methods of combating the risks posed to
us and our way of life.
การตัดสินใจที่ผมกระทำในปี ๒๕๕๓
เป็นการกระทำด้วยความห่วงใยต่อประเทศของผม และ ของโลกที่เราอาศัยอยู่. ตั้งแต่โศกนาฏกรรม 9/11, ประเทศของเราได้อยู่ในภาวะสงคราม. เราทำสงครามกับศัตรูที่เลือกที่จะไม่เผชิญหน้ากับเราในสมรภูมิแบบเดิมๆ,
และเพราะข้อเท็จจริงนี้เอง เราได้เปลี่ยนวิธีการประจัญบานกับความเสี่ยงที่ถูกกำหนดขึ้นเพื่อท้าทายเราและวิถีชีวิตของเรา.
Manning invoked that late Howard
Zinn, quoting, "There is not a flag large enough to cover the shame of
killing innocent people."
แมนนิ่ง อ้างข้อเขียนของอดีต โฮเวิร์ด
ซินน, “ไม่มีธงชาติใดที่ใหญ่พอเพื่อปกคลุมความน่าละอายของการเข่นฆ่าประชาชนผู้บริสุทธิ์”.
I initially agreed with these
methods and chose to volunteer to help defend my country. It was not
until I was in Iraq and reading secret military reports on a daily basis that I
started to question the morality of what we were doing. It was at this
time I realized in our efforts to meet this risk posed to us by the enemy, we
have forgotten our humanity. We consciously elected to devalue human life
both in Iraq and Afghanistan. When we engaged those that we perceived
were the enemy, we sometimes killed innocent civilians. Whenever we
killed innocent civilians, instead of accepting responsibility for our conduct,
we elected to hide behind the veil of national security and classified information
in order to avoid any public accountability.
ตอนแรก ผมเห็นด้วยกับวิธีการเหล่านี้ และ
เลือกอาสาสมัครมาช่วยปกป้องประเทศของผม.
มันไม่ใช่จนกระทั่งผมอยู่ในอิรัค และ
ได้อ่านรายงานลับการทหารเป็นประจำทุกวัน
ที่ผมเริ่มตั้งคำถามถึงจริยธรรมของสิ่งที่ผมกำลังกระทำอยู่. ในเวลาเช่นนี้เอง ผมตระหนักว่า
ในความพยายามของเราเพื่อโต้ตอบกับความเสี่ยงที่ศัตรูได้กำหนดขึ้นท้าทายเรา,
เราได้ลืมความเป็นมนุษย์ของเรา. เราเลือกด้วยจิตสำนึกและอย่างมีสติที่จะลดคุณค่าของชีวิตมนุษย์ทั้งในอิรัคและอัฟกานิสถาน. เมื่อเราปะทะกับพวกที่เรามองว่าเป็นศัตรู,
บางครั้ง เราก็สังหารพลเมืองผู้บริสุทธิ์ด้วย.
เมื่อไรที่เราสังหารพลเมืองผู้บริสุทธิ์,
แทนที่จะยอมรับความรับผิดชอบในการกระทำของเรา, เราเลือกที่จะแอบซ่อนมันข้างหลังผ้าคลุมหน้าของความมั่นคงแห่งชาติ
และ เก็บเป็นข้อมูลลับสุดยอด เพื่อหลีกเลี่ยงความน่าเชื่อถือที่พึ่งได้ต่อสาธารณะ
(หลักการของธรรมาภิบาล).
In our zeal to kill the enemy, we
internally debated the definition of torture. We held individuals at
Guantanamo for years without due process. We inexplicably turned a blind eye to
torture and executions by the Iraqi government. And we stomached
countless other acts in the name of our war on terror.
ในความคลั่งไคล้ของเราที่ต้องการฆ่าศัตรู, เราถกเถียงอภิปรายกันภายในถึงคำจำกัดความของ
ทารุณกรรม. เราจับกุมปัจเจกชนไว้ที่
กวนตานาโม เป็นเวลาหลายปีโดยปราศจากการนำเข้าสู่กระบวนการที่เหมาะสม. เราหนีไม่รอดที่ทำเป็นตาบอดต่อทารุณกรรมและการสังหารโดยรัฐบาลอิรัค. และเราก็เก็บกินการกระทำนับไม่ถ้วนในนามของสงครามของเราเพื่อต่อสู้พวกก่อการร้าย.
Patriotism is often the cry extolled
when morally questionable acts are advocated by those in power. When
these cries of patriotism drown our any logically based intentions [unclear],
it is usually an American soldier that is ordered to carry out some
ill-conceived mission.
ความรักชาติมักถูกแผดเสียงสรรเสริญเยินยอ เมื่อการกระทำที่น่าสงสัยทางจริยธรรม
ถูกส่งเสริมสนับสนุนโดยพวกที่อยู่ในอำนาจ.
เมื่อเสียงร้องเรียกปลุกความรักชาติเหล่านี้ท่วมท้นบดบังความตั้งใจ [เสียงฟังไม่ชัด] ใดๆ ที่ผ่านการกลั่นกรองเชิงตรรกะดีแล้ว,
ก็เป็นทหารอเมริกันคนหนึ่ง ที่ถูกสั่งให้ออกไปปฏิบัติการภารกิจที่ไม่ได้คิดให้ดี.
Our nation has had similar dark
moments for the virtues of democracy—the Trail of Tears, the Dred Scott
decision, McCarthyism, the Japanese-American internment camps—to name a
few. I am confident that many of our actions since 9/11 will one day be
viewed in a similar light.
ชาติของเราก็เคยผ่านห้วงเวลาแห่งความมืดมนเพื่อทรงไว้ซึ่งประชาธิปไตย—รอยร่องน้ำตา,
การตัดสินใจ เดรด สก็อตต์, ลัทธิแมคคาร์ธีย์,
ค่ายกักกันชาวอเมริกันเชื้อสายญี่ปุ่น—นี่เป็นเพียงไม่กี่ตัวอย่าง. ผมมั่นใจว่า หลายๆ ปฏิบัติการของเราตั้งแต่ 9/11 สักวันหนึ่ง ก็จะถูกมองในลักษณะเดียวกัน.
As the late Howard Zinn once said,
"There is not a flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent
people."
ดังที่ อดีต โฮเวิร์ด ซินน์ ได้กล่าวไว้ครั้งหนึ่ง, “ไม่มีธงชาติใดที่ใหญ่พอเพื่อปกคลุมความน่าละอายของการเข่นฆ่าประชาชนผู้บริสุทธิ์”.
I understand that my actions
violated the law, and I regret if my actions hurt anyone or harmed the United
States. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I only wanted to help
people. When I chose to disclose classified information, I did so out of
a love for my country and a sense of duty to others.
ผมเข้าใจว่า ปฏิบัติการของผมละเมิดกฎหมาย, และผมเสียใจ
หากปฏิบัติการของผมทำให้ผู้ใดได้รับอันตราย หรือ ทำร้ายสหรัฐฯ. ผมไม่เคยมีความตั้งใจที่จะทำอันตรายผู้ใด. ผมต้องการช่วยประชาชนเท่านั้น. เมื่อผมเลือกที่จะเปิดโปงข้อมูลลับสุดยอด,
ผมกระทำด้วยความรักต่อประเทศของผม และ ด้วยความรู้สึกถึงหน้าที่ๆ มีต่อผู้อื่น.
If you deny my request for a pardon,
I will serve my time knowing that sometimes you have to pay a heavy price to
live in a free society. I will gladly pay that price if it means we could
have country that is truly conceived in liberty and dedicated to the
proposition that all women and men are created equal.
หากท่านปฏิเสธฎีกานิรโทษของผม, ผมจะรับโทษด้วยรู้ว่า บางที
ท่านต้องจ่ายชีวิตด้วยราคาแพงในสังคมเสรี.
ผมยินดีจะจ่ายในราคานั้น หากมันหมายความว่า เราจะมีประเทศที่ก่อเกิดในเสรีภาพอย่างแท้จริง
และ อุทิศตนต่อข้อเสนอที่ว่า หญิงและชายทั้งปวง ถูกสร้างให้เท่าเทียมกัน.
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Whisteblower Bradley Manning is the
US Army Private (Pfc) who leaked military and government documents to the
online media outlet Wikileaks which became the basis for the Collateral Murder video, which showed the killing of unarmed civilians by a
US Apache helicopter crew in Iraq. Leaks made by Manning also resulted in the Afghan War Diary, the Iraq War Logs, and a series of embarrassing US diplomatic cables that became known as Cablegate.
He remains in the custody of the US government while facing a military court martial.
นักเป่านกหวีด แบรดลีย์ แมนนิ่ง เป็นพลทหารในกองทัพสหรัฐฯ ผู้รั่วเอกสารการทหารและรัฐบาล ให้กับช่องทางสื่อออนไลน์
วิกิลีคส์ ซึ่งได้กลายเป็นพื้นฐานของวีดีโอ “ฆาตกรรมคู่ขนาน”,
ซึ่งแสดงถึงการสังหารพลเมืองที่ไม่มีอาวุธ โดยเฮลิคอปเตอร์ อปาเช่ ของสหรัฐฯ
ในอิรัค. การรั่วข้อมูลลับของแมนนิ่ง
ได้ยังผลเป็น “บันทึกประจำวันในสงครามอัฟกาน”, “บันทึกสงครามอิรัค”, และซีรีส์ “โทรเลขการทูตสหรัฐฯ”
อันน่าขายหน้า ที่ได้กลายเป็น “เคเบิลเกต”.
เขายังอยู่ในความควบคุมของรัฐบาลสหรัฐฯ ในขณะที่ต้องเผชิญกับศาลทหาร.
thank you bradley manning for your
courage and your sacrifice.
mr manning, we - the american people
- owe you everything; your efforts were not in vain. you embody the ideals that
your oppressors detest the most. you revealed the truth in the name of peace
and social justice.
your comments invoked the words of
another great american who was incarcerated for speaking truth to power, for
revealing the light.
- - - - -
excerpt from eugene debs speech in
canton, ohio - june 16, 1918
Wars throughout history have been
waged for conquest and plunder. In the Middle Ages when the feudal lords who
inhabited the castles whose towers may still be seen along the Rhine concluded
to enlarge their domains, to increase their power, their prestige and their
wealth they declared war upon one another. But they themselves did not go to war
any more than the modern feudal lords, the barons of Wall Street go to war. The
feudal barons of the Middle Ages, the economic predecessors of the capitalists
of our day, declared all wars. And their miserable serfs fought all the
battles. The poor, ignorant serfs had been taught to revere their masters; to
believe that when their masters declared war upon one another, it was their
patriotic duty to fall upon one another and to cut one another's throats for
the profit and glory of the lords and barons who held them in contempt. And
that is war in a nutshell. The master class has always declared the wars; the
subject class has always fought the battles.
The master class has had all to gain
and nothing to lose, while the subject class has had nothing to gain and all to
lose — especially their lives.
They have always taught and trained
you to believe it to be your patriotic duty to go to war and to have yourselves
slaughtered at their command. But in all the history of the world you, the
people, have never had a voice in declaring war, and strange as it certainly
appears,no war by any nation in any age has ever been declared by the people.
And here let me emphasize the fact —
and it cannot be repeated too often— that the working class who fight all the
battles, the working class who make the supreme sacrifices, the working class
who freely shed their blood and furnish the corpses, have never yet had a voice
in either declaring war or making peace. It is the ruling class that invariably
does both. They alone declare war and they alone make peace.
Yours not to reason why;
Yours but to do and die.
That is their motto and we object on
the part of the awakening workers of this nation.
If war is right let it be declared
by the people. You who have your lives to lose, you certainly above all others
have the right to decide the momentous issue of war or peace.
- - - - -
...peace...
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“While there is a
lower class I am in it; while there is a criminal element I am of it; while
there is a soul in prison, I am not free” Eugene Debs...
A GREAT Socialist leader. We need many more Socialist ideas
to spread around and grow a new, fair society.
WOW, 'from the mouths of babes'.
Bradley Manning will go down in history as a great and honest man once this
present day fear -filled darkness recedes.
May at least many of us be worthy of Manning's example of
courage and effectiveness. And everyday deceive a representative of the
occupation -- to maintain and sharpen our skills at it and make us increasingly
aware of what the enemy looks like. We are many, they are few. Let them learn
that we are everywhere, probing them, planning, doing.
I agree! I can only hope that Bradley Manning can find the
same strength that Nelson Mandela found during his incarceration.
I don't know if there is any way to get letters of support to Bradley Manning - but if someone else does - please post that information so we can all send him letters of encouragement - and perhaps books for him to read to give him hope.
It would be nice to have Common Dreams post information on how to contact him on their front page.
I don't know if there is any way to get letters of support to Bradley Manning - but if someone else does - please post that information so we can all send him letters of encouragement - and perhaps books for him to read to give him hope.
It would be nice to have Common Dreams post information on how to contact him on their front page.
The organization Code Pink made it possible to send e- and
snail-mail letters to Bradley Manning and John Kiriakou---They will probably
have an address to which Manning can be contacted, once he's moved to prison.
GREAT IDEA, hopefully CD will post an address so we can send
our encouragement to him.
This guy is no Nelson Mandela don't fool yourself. H.
...And your claim to fame, maam?
Nelson Mandela is no Nelson Mandela, either.
No, he never planned and received training to wage a
murderous guerrilla war against people in his own country..
Ah, but how the truth hurts!
Nelson Mandela was a communist zionist shill, who was
imprisoned for his involvement with communism, not for his colour. He has never
apologized for his part in the murder and torture of little african boys who
didnt want to join his anc mafiosi clubs.....what is SA like today? The most
dangerous place in the world to live, where white murders since the end of So
called apartheid outnumber by 10 fold any committed by a few over zealous
whites......horrendous murders go completely without media coverage because the
same zionist murders who now control all the mining wealth inSA have exactly
what they want, an impoverished majority black state just like every other
previously colonized country in Africa.....
Lay off the crack idiot Nelson Mandela was arrested and
convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the government. Dumb f*ck go
and read the court documents. And no Oscar Pretorius murdered his partner and
is standing trail the Media coverage is overwhelming and international. You
write a heap of bullshit. In fact the SA government has developed a minerals
beneficiation strategy as a key area for potential growth. It is planned to
transform the industry from being largely resource-based to knowledge-based.
While black ownership of the mining sector is currently already at 8.9% the
government is putting significant pressure on mines to reach the next target of
26% by 2014.You don't what your talking about... gwe!
I agree with some of Mannings statements, but disagree with
his reckless actions. I have been very critical of the war in Iraq in
particular, and I refused induction for Vietnam, and by a miracle didn't have
to go to Lompoc for it, but I strongly believe you don't throw information to
our enemies. Naked truth is fine only if everyone is naked. That is not going
to happen. Still I'm glad Manning didn't get the 60 year sentence. I see him as
misguided but not evil. He should be able to rebuild a life after paying his
debt.
Please reference ONE thing he released that did harm to
ANYONE other than their phkn ego. The reckless , no the treacherous, morally
depraved acts had already been committed by our military. Bradley was letting
us know that this govt. is phkd up beyond compare. Reckless, not even in the
least.
I agree that some terrible things have been done by our
military as well as the mercenaries we've hired. Oh, pardon, I forgot the term
is now "contractors." I am glad some of these deeds have been
punished and I also believe we've only scratched the surface. Manning
jeopardized our capacity to gather intelligence we need to thwart some groups
who want to see Americans, any Americans, dead.
The military is basically a security crew for the oil
companies. Most things that they do are terrible, wasting time, money,
resources, and man power when this nation could use, right here on the
'mainland' all the damn manpower to fix our infrastructure instead of tearing it
to pieces. Most of this 'terrorist' crap our govt. makes up to keep us
fearful....And I for one am damn tired of the mismanagement of over half the
GDP wasted on killing others who we think suck, and oil co's on welfare
(subsidiesother than military). Mostly those with different skin color. Manning
stuck his neck out to change this, the Generals need to go to jail, not
Bradley.
I don't think you'll change buck eichler's mind, he's not
ready to understand that the country has been taken over from the inside. buck
will never see that even as big sis says if you see something say something,
manning saw something said something and will spend his life in jail for that.
Poor Buck, he's drunk the kool-aid.
No, jay, you won't change my mind, because you apparently
don't care about facts, and I'm something of a stickler for them. For example,
Manning will in all likelihood be out when he's 33. That is not the rest of his
life. But don't let me interrupt your rant.
BTW, do you actually do anything to make this world a better place, even in your own community? I hope so.
BTW, do you actually do anything to make this world a better place, even in your own community? I hope so.
If USAians don't want people to hate them, don't bomb them
or create fundamentalist terrorist groups to do USAian dirty work in places
such as Nicaragua or Afghanistan. No-one wants to kill New Zealanders (apart
from the French in 1995) or Scandinavians.
No one wants to kill anyone that has nothing they want from
them.
Buck, The bogey man is not going to get you, because he is
not actually real. He and all the other lies around this are being used as an
excuse to take away your rights, which once were real. Exposing war crimes,
rather than being complacent with them, which is what Bradley Manning did, does
not in any way compromise your safety, regardless of whatever lies they tell
you to the contrary.
Want to just explain what that debt is?
Yes, I see his debt as violating his oath and making public
secret documents that have robbed the USA of vital intelligence gathering
methods.
There are many who are "anti-secrets" advocates, but of course every first world government engages heavily in these activities and betraying only the USA puts us at a disadvantage. I'd be the first to advocate for losing our secrets if we ALL lose them. Also, I normally wouldn't be concerned about the most advantaged country in the world losing some of that advantage, but in this instance it involves erosion of our ability to guard ourselves against those who believe that killing our civilians is their god given duty.
There are many who are "anti-secrets" advocates, but of course every first world government engages heavily in these activities and betraying only the USA puts us at a disadvantage. I'd be the first to advocate for losing our secrets if we ALL lose them. Also, I normally wouldn't be concerned about the most advantaged country in the world losing some of that advantage, but in this instance it involves erosion of our ability to guard ourselves against those who believe that killing our civilians is their god given duty.
Maybe Manning took a different oath than I took when I went
into the service. The one I took was to the Constitution. Manning isn't the one
who betrayed his oath. You can hang that one on Bush et al -- and now on Obama.
It's against reg's to commit or to cover up a crime and you have an affirmative
duty to disobey unlawful orders. No matter how you look at it, I think Manning
did nothing for which he should be punished --- unlike the guys who are
punishing him.
Oaths to commanders in chief and countries are below the
moral duty of any citizen or soldier to refuse to participate in criminal
activity and crimes against humanity. Using that very reason we hanged a good
number of Nazis for obeying their oaths to "King and Country" . We
all owe Bradley Manning a debt of thanks for trying to preserve the morality of
the US government.
Don't get hasty we hanged Lazies due to violation of German
law.
And while you're at it, could you explain "our
enemies"?
Yes, Fred, see above. I will add that our enemies are
extremists who are dedicated to killing our military and civilians. They do
exist, and their damage has only been limited by our hyper vigilance,
sophisticated intelligence gathering methods and willingness to kill them
whenever and however we can. I abhor this state of affairs, especially
considering that some of our policies help promote that extremism, but I feel
due diligence requires us to first thwart the threat then work to do what we can
to thwart this unholy alliance between corporate parasitism, financial
services, government and the military.
Buck, I appreciate your comments, but I think that we need
to be very conscious of how the status of "enemy" gets created and
perpetuated. We just saw the CIA's admission, after 60 years, that it overthrew
a democratically elected, secular government in Iran, at the behest of oil
companies. Because most Americans didn't know or believe this, they were unable
to fathom why Iran has done such "unfriendly" things as taking
embassy hostages, etc. They see us come at them with grandiose rhetoric about
human rights, but without any acknowledgement of how we turned their nation
over to the tender mercies of the Shah. If the German people, after WWII, had
not taken an honest look at what they had done, and officially repented and
offered reparations, and still towed to an official line about how all their
problems were caused by Jews and the inferior Slavic races, I think we would
despise them. We have not acknowledged the misery we caused by our fanatical
anticommunism over the years, and since we don't really think we've done
anything wrong, we keep on repeating it with devastation in Iraq, Afghanistan,
and who knows where next. This is our secrecy at work: it not only allows the
government to spend vast sums on evil projects, and creates bitter enemies not
only from the direct sufferers but also among those who are outraged at our
hypocrisy and unrepentance. It obscures the true rationale for our acts, and by
obscuring the acts themselves keeps our patriotic military families in
ignorance of what they are sacrificing their lives for. Please consult Nick
Turse's book, Kill Anything That Moves, for a reappraisal of the Vietnam War
that again focuses on secrecy as the source of our continued dangerousness for
the world despite our self-perceived good intentions. In conclusion, we need to
understand and dialogue with our enemies, and through Truth and Reconciliation
Commissions, which cost a whole lot less than worldwide covert surveillance and
action, win their respect. You will say, perhaps, that Americans will never
confess or repent. As with individuals, if that is the case, we will continue
to create more and more enemies and will continue impoverishing ourselves while
enriching the silent beneficiaries of our vast military expenditures.
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William, I agree with everything you said here, and have
said many such things myself and will continue to do so.
The only probable difference between us in this thread is in how we map the way forward.
For me, it's always a balancing act between the strategic and idealistic. Pure idealism accepts no incremental steps, pure strategy loses sight of the goals and becomes nothing more than the flip side of the oppositions coin.
I just believe we have to do the hard work of creating change within a highly resistant, frustrating system. Of course Manning and Snowden flew the coop in that regard. I believe they should have worked within the system and been more judicious in what they revealed. I just hope that compromised intelligence gathering doesn't result in the deaths of our innocents. In anticipation of a further question I would say yes, the deaths of foreign nations innocents matter urgently. We are an international community, that brings an international responsibility for the cause of justice. I believe in this very deeply and when I travel in foreign lands I do not do so as an insulated tourist. I choose to believe that there is hope to work within the system, and this is why I oppose Manning's actions.
The only probable difference between us in this thread is in how we map the way forward.
For me, it's always a balancing act between the strategic and idealistic. Pure idealism accepts no incremental steps, pure strategy loses sight of the goals and becomes nothing more than the flip side of the oppositions coin.
I just believe we have to do the hard work of creating change within a highly resistant, frustrating system. Of course Manning and Snowden flew the coop in that regard. I believe they should have worked within the system and been more judicious in what they revealed. I just hope that compromised intelligence gathering doesn't result in the deaths of our innocents. In anticipation of a further question I would say yes, the deaths of foreign nations innocents matter urgently. We are an international community, that brings an international responsibility for the cause of justice. I believe in this very deeply and when I travel in foreign lands I do not do so as an insulated tourist. I choose to believe that there is hope to work within the system, and this is why I oppose Manning's actions.
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"I believe they should have worked within the system
and been more judicious in what they revealed."
No. People needed to know. The war crimes absolutely 100% needed to be exposed to the light of truth, and your idea of "working within the system" is just empty rhetoric we are being fed to cover it back up.
No. People needed to know. The war crimes absolutely 100% needed to be exposed to the light of truth, and your idea of "working within the system" is just empty rhetoric we are being fed to cover it back up.
Sorry, Buck. There's just no evidence to support any of your
premises and huge amounts to the contrary. A rational, impartial person on
examination of the evidence, could not embrace your position. Maybe go over it
again without assuming unimpeachable credibility on the part of the government.
Wrong. The Islamic extremists have made it very clear we(the
West And the US in particular) are targets for destruction.
xve298, That's the claim, according to the Marvel Comics
view of the world. What's the evidence to support it?
Just when did Vietnam threaten the USA? Just when did Laos
threaten the USA? Just when did Cambodia threaten the USA? Just when did
Nicaragua threaten the USA? Just when did Afghanistan threaten the USA? But it
was the USA that took the initiative in attacking these various countries (the
Carter administration paid the fundamentalist jihadists in Afghanistan to
destroy the government there 6 months before the USSR moved in to fight them).
The USA faces no real threat other than USAians killing 12 000 of their own
with handguns every year. That's more than the north Vetnamese army managed
between 1963 and 1973 (5000 per year average).
Nuts. A large part of our "enemies" are false
flags and entrapments. The rest are blow-back for our aggression. Other
countries don't have such enemies. The solutions you suggest are the problem,
in my opinion.
Please take the time to read "A Peace to End All
Peace" David Fromkin. This is the history of the creation of the Middle
East by the European power in the before and during WWI. It should have been
required reading by the Bush administration and Congress BEFORE the US engaged
in an winnable War. It has become a second Vietnam in which the US military
once again failed to understand just who they were fighting.The French the
English both failed in Vietnam just as they did in the Middle East, but the
arrogant US military knew they could do what the British and French and the
Russians couldn't. "Beware of the military-industrial complex" D.
Eisenhower.
The English were never in Vietnam apart from that dumb
General who released Japanese POWs to police the Vietnamese in Saigon in 1945
before the French came back a few months ater.
Exactly my opinion. there is so much that we do not know,
because our governments do not want us to!
Learn your military history. Limited nation building is
always doomed to failure.
No he won't. He will go down as what he is a naive fool and
traitor.
Oh my what an amazingly cogent and
beautiful statement.
A great heart and a great mind.
Thank you young man for your service to humanity.
A great heart and a great mind.
Thank you young man for your service to humanity.
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